1949 Ducati Cucciolo T2 - Stalled for the time being...

peteGSX

Zuk's Rock!
Re: 1949? Ducati Cucciolo T2 - The clean up and dismantling continues


Ok, pic's have uploaded... anyway first up I called the guy about the Malvern Star today and I have Wednesday off and I should be able to pick it up then. Can't wait to get it in the garage...


I'm giving the crankshaft to my house mate to take to the mechanic next to his work to see if he has any bright ideas on removing the sprocket and bearings as I can't see any way I'd be able to do it with the lack of tools I have.


And tonight I started on the last remaining bit to disassemble; the carb.


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There's grit in everything as expected and the butterfly didn't really want to move at all, so it needs a huge clean and will definitely need the Yamalube carb cleaner treatment later on before it goes back together.


No rubber intake boots here, it's attached via a metal pipe:


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And that's what passes for an intake filter... no foam or anything, just a perforated metal plate:


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Bit grungy under there:


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There's a good diagram for reference in the workshop manual which helps:


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The float looks in good shape:


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The screen on the float valve is clogged with crud and I haven't been able to get it off yet:


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Here's the state of the mixture screw, and all the jets were in about the same condition:


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Definitely need to get some more Yamalube carb cleaner!


Sat everything in container for the moment after a good go over with the kero, they can stay in there until it's time for the carb cleaner:


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The kero clean and shooting some DWF down the butterfly shaft freed it up and it now opens and springs closed quite nicely which is a relief.


I'm getting really excited now... time to start properly cleaning up the cases and so forth and sourcing the few spare parts I need ready for reassembly.


As per my comments with Joeyputt over in his Bridgestone restoration thread I'll be having a go with walnut shell blasting on the cases and other external stuff.


I figure I should be able to make myself a little blasting cabinet with a blasting kit from Supercheap for around the $50 mark.
 

peteGSX

Zuk's Rock!
Re: 1949? Ducati Cucciolo T2 - The clean up and dismantling continues


Picked the Malvern Star up today but unfortunately Photobucket is undertaking maintenance so I can't upload photos at the moment.


I found a serial number on it but research is indicating that may be useless as a lot of early Malvern Star records were destroyed in a fire.


As suspected the forks are not appropriate for the frame.


It's going to need some time put in as expected, steering head bearings look to be shot amongst other things.


I at least put some brackets up on the wall to hang it for the time being.


The house mate has the crankshaft and will enquire with the mechanic tomorrow hopefully.
 

joeyputt

The green flag sets me free
Re: 1949? Ducati Cucciolo T2 - The clean up and dismantling continues

Brother I love that threaded intake, and you have to love Ducati for casting their name into everything!
 

peteGSX

Zuk's Rock!
Re: 1949? Ducati Cucciolo T2 - The clean up and dismantling continues

joeyputt said:
Brother I love that threaded intake, and you have to love Ducati for casting their name into everything!


So true Joe! I know everything's genuine on this because of the Ducati stamps on it all :D
 

peteGSX

Zuk's Rock!
Re: 1949? Ducati Cucciolo T2 - The clean up and dismantling continues

So here's the photos I couldn't upload last night:



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The 'bars are sideways but I couldn't straighten them after loosening all the head stock bolts and nuts. WDF was needed just to loosen the bolt on top.

I've squirted more WDF down in there to try to loosen it all up.

Definitely a 2 star frame and you can see the top of the forks where there should be stars if they were genuine:

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There's a serial number on the left side of the seat tube (you won't be able to read it in the photo):

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And hanging on the wall to keep it out of the way:

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peteGSX

Zuk's Rock!
Re: 1949? Ducati Cucciolo T2 - The clean up and dismantling continues


And I decided I should get a mock up done tonight before I start pulling all the bits off the frame.


So first off I dug out the two pedal cranks I have (only need one):


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I gave them both a bit of a clean but picked the one with the least amount of grunge to use for the mock up.


I figured out the piece that screws onto it to attach it to the pedal crankshaft and the other mystery piece that's a cover for the screws:


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I then proceeded to remove the pedals, chain, and crank from the Malvern Star in preparation for the mock up.


Firstly, a bit of a size difference to the 450:


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Crank area's not too bad, just a little surface rust, and there's a grease nipple there which is actually going to get in the way of the motor mount:


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The chain master link came off reasonably easily but it'll still need replacing:


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Some of the head stem looks new, some looks old:


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The two stars are definitely there:


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Seat stem looks ok and you can make out the serial number in this one, still not sure if that validates its age or not:


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Cont...
 

peteGSX

Zuk's Rock!
Re: 1949? Ducati Cucciolo T2 - The clean up and dismantling continues


Rear dropouts have surface rust but look ok:


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The pedal crank and bearings actually look to be in reasonably good condition. I think someone may have actually used the grease nipple to keep grease in there:


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You'll have to imagine a left pedal is on there as the modern left one I have doesn't quite fit on the Ducati pedal crank, but here it is with the motor, fuel tank, and pedal crank sat in place:


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I can't wait to get this going :D
 

sinbad85

Been Around the Block
Re: 1949? Ducati Cucciolo T2 - Mock up time...

wow.....the patina on that frame is gorgeous....
mock up looks really cool....
great score mate!
 

jonwright

surfing and motorcycles.... yup
Re: 1949? Ducati Cucciolo T2 - Mock up time...

love it. i would be curious to see what that tank looks like up on the top tube though instead of inside the frame.
 

peteGSX

Zuk's Rock!
Re: 1949? Ducati Cucciolo T2 - Mock up time...


03rangerxlt said:
thats hella cool!


Thanks mate! I must agree ;)


sinbad85 said:
wow.....the patina on that frame is gorgeous....
mock up looks really cool....
great score mate!


Cheers! The patina really suits the engine in the current condition, but I'm keen for as authentic a restoration as I can do, so it will end up with fresh paint...

fatherjon said:
love it. i would be curious to see what that tank looks like up on the top tube though instead of inside the frame.


Thanks!



One of the guys over on the GSR did a Photoshop of that actually, and I'm not keen... I think it would also mess with the centre of gravity a bit on a bicycle...



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I think it belongs under the top tube...
 

peteGSX

Zuk's Rock!
Re: 1949? Ducati Cucciolo T2 - Mock up time...


Well the frame hasn't had an easy life...


The headset looks like it was assembled correctly, but it's somewhat of a mess underneath as I expected...


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The left leg of the fork has a nice tweak in it:


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And I found the left rear stay has a little bit of a tweak that should be easy to straighten without weakening it:


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And it looks like the left rear dropout has a bit broken off the bottom:


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Fun, fun, fun!


I really need to get into the clean up properly now.


The big thing will be looking at how to do the walnut shell blasting and being able to do it very cheaply... budget is non-existent at the moment.
 

andycafe

Northern Suburbs, Melbourne Victoria, Australia
Re: 1949? Ducati Cucciolo T2 - Back to the clean up...

hey so what are your plans for the frame? (apart from the clean) paint? powder? chrome? ???
 

JustinLonghorn

No Purple Hearts, No Blue Ribbons
Re: 1949? Ducati Cucciolo T2 - Back to the clean up...

having the entire frame chrome plated would be all kinds of rad.
 

peteGSX

Zuk's Rock!
Re: 1949? Ducati Cucciolo T2 - Back to the clean up...

andycafe said:
hey so what are your plans for the frame? (apart from the clean) paint? powder? chrome? ???

If I can work out what it really is, ideally I'd like to try to get some proper decals and paint it like it would've come from the factory. I believe some Malvern Star decal sets are still available around the place...

Mind you I still need to get something suitable for forks, 'bars, seat, wheels, etc. yet but I can do that over time.

JustinLonghorn said:
having the entire frame chrome plated would be all kinds of rad.

Hahaha now that would blow my budget for sure!
 

andycafe

Northern Suburbs, Melbourne Victoria, Australia
Re: 1949? Ducati Cucciolo T2 - Back to the clean up...

peteGS said:
ideally I'd like to try to get some proper decals and paint it like it would've come from the factory. I believe some Malvern Star decal sets are still available around the place...

Nice too, you could always have some made up, you'd be surprised how inexpensive they would be ;)

do like the idea of all chrome or all Ducati red or a mix ??? oh so many choices lol.....
 

andycafe

Northern Suburbs, Melbourne Victoria, Australia
Re: 1949? Ducati Cucciolo T2 - Back to the clean up...

oh please see this in time, ebay australia, in melbourne, type this in the search " Malvern Star Long Frame Dragstar Forks " going cheap?
 

andycafe

Northern Suburbs, Melbourne Victoria, Australia
Re: 1949? Ducati Cucciolo T2 - Back to the clean up...

and these again on ebay, vic-nsw.......
 

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Re: 1949? Ducati Cucciolo T2 - Back to the clean up...

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