'75 suzuki gt250...Buzzing around the block

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The chambers look fantastic, and I love the red anodized shocks. The 350 top end ought to give, that thing some stomp, too.
 
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I've got a little more info. I should have the "350" cylinders back from bore and hone in less than a week. I've got one exhaust and one carb right now, and going to pick up the other carb and exhaust tomorrow morning. Headgaskets, base gaskets, and circlips should be in by friday. I plan on chopping off my smaller headers and welding on the bigger ones. other than that, everything should just take me a good weekend to get everything together. Other than making sure the carbs will function well, I just need to wait. Thanks, Joe
 
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It has been known to me for some time now that a suzuki t350 top end is a "bolt on" for the gt250. However, trying to find all the right parts has proved to be difficult. The headers are slightly larger so new exhaust had to be found, along with decent cylinders, carbs, heads, and the oil pump. I know of only one other person on the internet who did such a conversion and I had the pleasure of sharing information with him. Even though he sold the bike many years ago, he still has his website up and many pictures to look over: http://www.street-unique.com/
What I'm attempting to do is provide as much information I know to people who are both interested in and willing to attempt what I've done. I'll start with what I've got. I purchased a complete t350 engine including the oil pump, one exhaust and both carbs. I was able to salvage the cylinders, covers, oil pump, and one carb. I purchased the other carb and exhaust from ebay. The carbs are a large 32mm, 26mm being the 250 standard. I had the cylinders bored out .5mm, turning the total cc’s from 315 to 320cc. Oh, I didn’t tell you? The t350 is actually only 315cc’s.
This is where it gets tricky. I've heard many times that the t350 was simply a punched out version of the 250. In some respects thats true, however you have to look at the iron linings. The t350 has a larger lining allowing it to be bored out to 61mm, 54mm being for the 250. You have to keep in mind that the oil pump off of the t350 has a larger rate of flow, so that will also be needed. The pistons were the more difficult part. It is fairly easy to find standard bore pistons and rings on ebay. However, you need to understand that there are differences between the years. Some had "thick" 2mm rings and others had "Thin" 1.5mm rings. I bought a complete lot of pistons and rings assuming everything fit, but that was not the case. I also would like to describe the differences between t350 and gt550 pistons. The rings fit on either piston. However, the pistons themselves are different, but both can work if you do a little machining.
I had in my possession both t350 and gt550 pistons. The t350 pistons look to be the correct dimensions compared to the stock 250 pistons. However, I only had one of them, and two gt550 pistons. Gt550 pistons have the piston pin hole placed lower on the piston, resulting in the piston protruding from the cylinder about 4.5mm. So, a spacer needs to be made to bump the cylinder up to the correct height. When this is done, the intake and transfer ports are slightly covered by the piston, so you need to remove about 6.5mm off the bottom of the piston, and dremel out the cutouts on the side of the piston up to the bottom of the piston pin hole. I have a crude ms paint pic showing what I mean. Note, that is not the gt550 piston, but just a pic I had at my disposal. With the piston cut to allow the correct stock port durations, the hardest part is over.
The carbs are a larger version of the mikuni vm26, bolted on with the flange mount. They are also very similar on the inside, which was a relief when cleaning out the many years of old gas residue and dirt. I’ll be able to find out if the gt250 throttle cable is functional with the vm32 carbs in a few days when everything goes together.
The heads are similar in design to the gt250. No sign of a squish band, but a smooth hemispherical shape with the spark plug close to the piston. Not the best design, but I can deal with that later. The exhaust is similar in design to the gt250, other than the headers being about 2mm larger in diameter. The rest of the exhaust is worthless to me, I only needed the headers to be welded onto my already made expansion pipes.
I’m in the process of doing this swap on my 1975 gt250, and should be ready to start this weekend when my correct rings come in. I’ll have the pics of the actual modified pistons as well. Hopefully all this work will pay off. Looking at old road tests, the gt250 put out 32hp and 23 ft/lbs of torque. The t350 put out 39hp and 29 ft/lbs of torque. What can be easier to increase your torque by 26% and the hp by 22%?
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After some time of riding and tweaking, I'm now able to say that the swap was a total success. There's no vibration or rattle comming from the topend and is much more powerful than the 250. After checking for airleaks, I've put about 250 miles on it, taking care to break it in properly. As far as power goes, I can be in 6th gear at 45mph, and it pulls much better. No bogging or hesitation, just hooks up and goes. What I found out was that the 32mm carbs have a much longer pull on them, so I need to twist the grip about 30% more than before. I could look into getting a quick pull system, but this'll do for now.

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You can see how I cut the side skirt down to the bottom of the piston pin hole.

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spacer fits nicely along with a gasket on each side

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Here it is all done up. Quite a beautiful machine. Almost like black magic; fuel/air comes in one side, and the exhaust comes out the other, only with a cylinder inbetween.

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hdr pics anyone?
 
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If you want a bit more 'go' you can lower intake port or, machine a couple of mm off intake side of piston (so intake opens earlier)
 
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Nice!!!!! I'm working on a 72 T250 & alos just picked up a 74 GT250 for parts! hope mine turns out this nice!
 
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Coolest GD build in awhile I've had the pleasure to follow!
Thanks for sharing.
Pat Cowan
Vintage Motorcycle Fiberglass
by Pacomotorstuff
 
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Thanks for the compliments. Like many builds, I'm always modifying and replacing as I go, a never-ending project I guess. Over the past week I was sketching up some designs for an oil tank and battery under-hump conversion. The original battery is too tall to fit inside the hump and allow the tire proper clearance for moving. A friend of mine had a brand new honda passport battery that was the perfect size. I did have to raise the battery 1.75" from the frame rails for tire clearance. The wiring looks much neater than it does in the pics, It was just quickly thrown together to make sure everything would reach.
The oil tank originally started out as a coleman propane tank. Its nice because its completely sealed and made out of steel that I can modify. I made an adapter that was welded onto the angled pipe to allow me to use my old master cylinder resovoir cup and cap. It actually works very well and I didn't need to search for an alternative to a screw on top. It holds just under a liter of oil so I've got about 400-500 miles of runtime on it. What I also did was add a breather to the top and a "sight glass" to the side. I've seen it done before on gastanks, and I thought it was a simple solution to see how much oil I have left. Just so you know, I also made all the nipples on the lathe, so the only things store bought from this was the propane tank and the parts from the old master cylinder. Thanks, Joe

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I have to admit thats pretty trick looking, are you gonna paint it to make it blend in or keep it where it stands out as a focal point? Either way you go it will look good though.
 
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Very cool oil tank. I love the level indicator. Just a tube from the bottom right? I really need to get mine on the road. very close, just hard to find the time.


P.S. you ever start yours up with no silencers at all? Don't have any done yet and i just want to ride it. Too load or what? 8)
 
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The tank is actually painted in silver metalic. Jay, yes theres just another nipple welded into the bottom with the tube connected to it. I've actually had the pipes with no silencers on them, just the right length stinger for backpressure. Without a helmet on, it was quite obnoxious. Even at idle, you would have to yell to hear someone standing next to you. The pipes are still loud with the silencers, but I didn't add any baffling material for no-maintanience operation. With rpms low tooling around town, its enough to get peoples attention about a block away. On the pipe, about a half mile if your behind it. Its a good sound though, at least for me.
 
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The key to a long healthy life or riding bikes faster than others think you should, is quiet pipes. Noisy pipes attract all the wrong sort of attention. Smelly oily two strokes are obnoxious to many people so we need to slide in under the radar with "smokeless" oil and decent mufflers. I'd wrap those baffles.
 
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Good luck trying to wrap these. The whole baffle is welded shut. I'd consider it to be a dirtbike sound rather than a drag bike. Like many 2 strokes, especially ones that are pistonport like this, is the intake noise. It doesn't help my situation when I have half the noise comming out of my intakes through the thin foam unifilters. On the contrary, I like to see a good smoke trail behind me, especially after building up sitting at a stoplight or at low rpm for a while. If the cops and neighbors don't bother me I could care less what downtown thinks of it. So far I've been pulled over for a taillight out and have been curtious to the times at which I leave and arrive at home.
 
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A new update on a few things that I've changed. The front brake always had a slight pulse to it, and found out the rotor was warped by about 15 thousands. I picked up anothe rotor locally and cross-drilled it a little less extreme than last time. I even used the same titanium drill bit as before. So far the dewalt bit has cut over 100 holes in the stainless steel and still cuts well.

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I recently picked up solidworks and started to do some test drawings. I figured that the bike could use a fork brace so I went to work. The fillets are on both sides, which was easier than I thought. Oh, I could probably use some new forks too.

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Lastely was the tail light. For some reason its taken me this long to figure out that I hate the stock one and I think I only used it because it was free. I broke down and bought a new one off ebay for $30. It has 16 leds on each side, including 3 white ones for the plate. After welding up a bracket and mounting it on the bike, I realized the tire would be too close to the bottom of the bracket and plate. Unfortunetly I already chopped up the plate to fit under the light but oh well. I think it turned out very well and looks much better than it did before. You can also tell in the second pic that one of my gas tank rubber bushings gave out, my lines are straight!

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As of now the temps are starting to plummet but I think I've got another tankfull I can go through. So far it's been riding well, keeping up on the highway at 85mph with no problem and the jetting is spot on. I think once I put it away I'll polish up a few of the pieces and paint the exhaust flat black and see how that turns out. I'm getting tired of scotchbriting on wd-40 every week to keep the rust away. Maybe a new set of exhaust in ss?
 
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Nice. I like what you have done. Would be cool to get both our T250s together one day.
 
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Love the updates. The new taillight is sooo much better. Nice and sleek. I bet the profile looks a lot better too. Keep up the good work as always.

P.S. we all three should get our 250's together!
 
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famousseajay said:
P.S. we all three should get our 250's together!

Sounds like a plan to me. Maybe a T/GT250 gathering at the Two-Stroke meet in May at Deal's Gap. That would be a great place.
 
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I picked up a complete frontend and pipes for an rz350 locally in hopes of fitting it on my suzuki gt250. I initially wanted to replace my forks anyways because of fluid leakage and rust pitting, so I couldnt turn this deal up. I was planning on purchasing aftermarket bearings to fit the rz tripple to the gt stem tube but the rz stem is about 1/2" too short. I then realized that the fork spread is exactly the same on both bikes.

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The only difference between the two is the gt250 has 33mm forks and the rz has 35mm forks. All I needed to do was bore out to the correct diameter and everything went together.

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After fitting the fork legs I took the time to clean up the calipers. They weren't too bad, just the normal gunk buildup. The pistons were in perfect condition. As a bonus, they also came stock with ss brake lines.

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In addition to the great deal I already got, the fiberglass fender is in decent condtion and has what seems like a shallow crack on top, but will be ground out and filled in. The tire is a metzler me-33 that is in great condition with good tread life left. The guy also purchased clipons for it. They're called tele fix and are fully adjustable in 3 directions.

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It only took me about 12 hours from beggining to end. What I still need to do is make up new headlight brackets for the larger diameter forks and paint the fender and wheel. I'm thinking of gloss black or metalic silver to help blend in with the existing spoke wheel.

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I was really expecting it to take me longer, and it would have been justified if the fork spread was different. Luck was on my side and I think it turned out pretty well. Maybe progressive springs in the future? I'm also designing a new triple top to replace the existing one, and should look something like this:
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It would be pretty sweet to get together somewhere and take a little trip, Deals Gap isn't too far away for a good road trip and an amazing experience.
 
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