Willow...An Evolution
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Re: Willow..Alchemy upholstery rocks!
You couldn't do any sort of copper pipe due to the way it reacts to the heat...it would most certainly warp, BUT, I have thought about doing brass or copper plating over steel. Caswell sells the chemicals for both.
Troy, that headlight is awesome man. Love the way it made her look. Good job brother.
You couldn't do any sort of copper pipe due to the way it reacts to the heat...it would most certainly warp, BUT, I have thought about doing brass or copper plating over steel. Caswell sells the chemicals for both.
Troy, that headlight is awesome man. Love the way it made her look. Good job brother.
Swagger
Putting boot to ass since 1967!
Re: Willow..Alchemy upholstery rocks!
The copper plating isn't durable, it's generally used as an interface layer when nickel or chrome plating a problematic substrate, in addition to building up a pitted surface before nickel/chrome during restorations. Brass plating on the other hand would be the shite!
The copper plating isn't durable, it's generally used as an interface layer when nickel or chrome plating a problematic substrate, in addition to building up a pitted surface before nickel/chrome during restorations. Brass plating on the other hand would be the shite!
Re: Willow..Alchemy upholstery rocks!
Yep I've heard that as well. A couple of dudes have done it, but I think it was more of a show bike thing. I agree on the brass plating....wonder what the heat does color wise to brass. Can't say I've ever seen heated/reheated brass.
Swagger said:
Yep I've heard that as well. A couple of dudes have done it, but I think it was more of a show bike thing. I agree on the brass plating....wonder what the heat does color wise to brass. Can't say I've ever seen heated/reheated brass.
Re: Willow..Alchemy upholstery rocks!
another option is to shoot them in 500* heat paint and then cure them at 650 - 700
as long as the final heat is not for very long it will yellow/gold the clear and not harm the finish very much....
but hell you know my answer... powder them bud
another option is to shoot them in 500* heat paint and then cure them at 650 - 700
as long as the final heat is not for very long it will yellow/gold the clear and not harm the finish very much....
but hell you know my answer... powder them bud
Re: Willow..Alchemy upholstery rocks!
I love the seat, even without the wing nut.
The thing that keeps grabbing me (in a good way) are the headlight supports and the rear fender support. It's this little spindly piece of bent metal but it looks so rad.
Beauty in the details. Your eyes go from one "wow" feature to the next.
Are you going to leave the downtube as is? It grabs my attention as being strangely "stock" on an otherwise mostly custom bike.
I love the seat, even without the wing nut.
The thing that keeps grabbing me (in a good way) are the headlight supports and the rear fender support. It's this little spindly piece of bent metal but it looks so rad.
Beauty in the details. Your eyes go from one "wow" feature to the next.
Are you going to leave the downtube as is? It grabs my attention as being strangely "stock" on an otherwise mostly custom bike.
Re: Willow..Alchemy upholstery rocks!
Cool idea on copper or brass. I actually considered brass heat shields but those won't be needed now.
Dude you got the weight almost right on. Just 5# shy. Apple pie bulks me up too ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
dude you gotta tell me how your losing weight. I gotta start eating right soon before I explode. 195-205 is a really good weight for me
Thanks man. Not really much left from the initial carnation but yep some ol same ol ;D ;D
appreciate the props!
Wow man thank you. Talk about a major compliment. Not so sure she's deserving but you better believe if there were a category I'd accept the nomination. Thank you!!!!
So glad you like the light brother. Its crazy how one simple little item can change the looks of a bike.
AI think I can remember something you did in antique brass or translucent gold or something. I remember being impressed. Could be an option
Thanks bud...no worries on the pipes. I ended up coming up with a little something. I apologize for waffling so much on them. Read on and you'll see what I did ;DVonYinzer said:
Cool idea on copper or brass. I actually considered brass heat shields but those won't be needed now.
Hahaha...Dude I've got you beat by at least 5#. the mount is pretty stout and def over kill. The mount bolts are grade 8 and welded directly to the plate thats welded to the frame. Then the sleeve was placed over the bolts and welded to the bolt heads (drilled and rossett welded) and also welded to the bottom plate. Then nuts were welded to the top plate (already in place when the sleeve was placed over the bolts). The perch plate was then welded to the sleeves. If there is a weak link it would be in the spring. It is made to compress throughout the entire arc of the spring. To get it to do that both ends would have to be solid mounted. One end would be through the eye and the other in a shackle to allow the spring to articulate as it compressed. Anyhow, the way I have it set up the spring flexes at the back of the mount perch. Its notthe best situation but works very well. The spring is a 1200# rated so I should be covered ;D . There are tons of designs out there ( I researched for months and found some very elaborate designs) but in the end it all comes down to the same physics. Unless the spring is mounted at both ends and compressed from the center, The only way it can work is to flex at a fixed point like mine.JRK5892 said:does look trick man! very trick!just sad my fat ass woiuld be nervous asking to take her for a ride, hahaha 225 on that seat would prob be pushing it! hahaha
troy looks great man
I think brass would be the way to go. I figure she gets pretty hot at the header pipe right at the motor but probably cools pretty quickly the further you get away from the head. Love the idea of brass heat shields. Any brass ready made stuff is extremly expensive though so the only way to do it would be to make something. I'm not needing shields now though. New exhaust in teh works...Maritime said:
Dude you got the weight almost right on. Just 5# shy. Apple pie bulks me up too ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
JRK5892 said:
dude you gotta tell me how your losing weight. I gotta start eating right soon before I explode. 195-205 is a really good weight for me
Thanks brother I really appreciate it!milehighcj360t said:
Yeah man I agree totally. Copper or brass shields would be the way to go. I think they'd be a nice touchGarage Rat said:
tycbx250 said:
Thanks man. Not really much left from the initial carnation but yep some ol same ol ;D ;D
appreciate the props!
rat_ cxn said:I think this should get bike of the year
Wow man thank you. Talk about a major compliment. Not so sure she's deserving but you better believe if there were a category I'd accept the nomination. Thank you!!!!
Appreciate the homage bro! Again, I'm probably not deserving but Thank you!!!my94f2 said:
Hmmm...makes me think about other items that could be plated.....Would deff have to practice restraint....hmmmmKanticoy said:
So glad you like the light brother. Its crazy how one simple little item can change the looks of a bike.
Very interesting...wonder how smooth you could make it. I guess if the plating were thick enough the brass could look like liquid??Swagger said:
JRK5892 said:
AI think I can remember something you did in antique brass or translucent gold or something. I remember being impressed. Could be an option
PHeller said:
Re: Willow..Alchemy upholstery rocks!
I do have a little progress to report. I picked up my buddy Jason's 110 lincoln welder so I could weld up a bunch of holes in the rear fender. had a total of 9 if you can believe that.
The filler bung, and the fuel line and breather bungs have all been bonded. I still need to line the tank and bond it but it won't be long till I'm prepping for paint.
For about 2 months I've been kicking around the idea of redoing the exhaust. I've always been bothered about how it covered up the motor. For me it also didn't have a vintage feel. I thought about doing the boardtrack short exhaust where they turn straight down out of the head and slash cut. Also thought about Cb pipes. With a little mock up the pipes wont work with my kick stand. Talking to Kiley we decided to try 2into1. Fast forward to 4am this morning and now she's spotin a pair of 750 header pipes made into a 2in1.
I waffled on a set of cb 360 pipes and I'm glad I did. The 750 pipes weren't an exact fit by any stretch but I love everything about em. The flange is different and they also have a bend that took them away from the frame and hit the brake pedal. I cut the 750 flanges off and pie cut the pipes. Then welded the 360 flanges that were also slightly pie cut. This allowed me to rotate the flange until it place the pipes where I wanted em to go.
They fit in the space between the frame and brake pedal like they were made to fit there.
I also like the simplicity of the bends and how they match the other simple bends of the bike. The twist the other pipes had were def more complex.
I'm still not sure to leave em slash cut or try to weld some kind of a cone. The cone would have to start after the brake pedal due to lack of space. To make it look right I think a turned up slash cut cone that follows the bent chain stays. Figure something short like 2-3" would look best. I'm still not sure though..I'm also considering cutting the left cyl pipe and adding a small male sleeve and brass spring to keep it together. Would make removal much easier. Anyhooo...
The exhaust still needs a final weld where it collects and on the flanges but I wanted to toss it on for a look see.
I also tossed on the fender and coils, for kind of a final mock up. Let me know what you guys think.
fender:
I do have a little progress to report. I picked up my buddy Jason's 110 lincoln welder so I could weld up a bunch of holes in the rear fender. had a total of 9 if you can believe that.
The filler bung, and the fuel line and breather bungs have all been bonded. I still need to line the tank and bond it but it won't be long till I'm prepping for paint.
For about 2 months I've been kicking around the idea of redoing the exhaust. I've always been bothered about how it covered up the motor. For me it also didn't have a vintage feel. I thought about doing the boardtrack short exhaust where they turn straight down out of the head and slash cut. Also thought about Cb pipes. With a little mock up the pipes wont work with my kick stand. Talking to Kiley we decided to try 2into1. Fast forward to 4am this morning and now she's spotin a pair of 750 header pipes made into a 2in1.
I waffled on a set of cb 360 pipes and I'm glad I did. The 750 pipes weren't an exact fit by any stretch but I love everything about em. The flange is different and they also have a bend that took them away from the frame and hit the brake pedal. I cut the 750 flanges off and pie cut the pipes. Then welded the 360 flanges that were also slightly pie cut. This allowed me to rotate the flange until it place the pipes where I wanted em to go.
They fit in the space between the frame and brake pedal like they were made to fit there.
I also like the simplicity of the bends and how they match the other simple bends of the bike. The twist the other pipes had were def more complex.
I'm still not sure to leave em slash cut or try to weld some kind of a cone. The cone would have to start after the brake pedal due to lack of space. To make it look right I think a turned up slash cut cone that follows the bent chain stays. Figure something short like 2-3" would look best. I'm still not sure though..I'm also considering cutting the left cyl pipe and adding a small male sleeve and brass spring to keep it together. Would make removal much easier. Anyhooo...
The exhaust still needs a final weld where it collects and on the flanges but I wanted to toss it on for a look see.
I also tossed on the fender and coils, for kind of a final mock up. Let me know what you guys think.
fender:
Re: Willow..Alchemy upholstery rocks!
oooh ya! i like the pipes as is... in fact i would take a torch to them and try and blue them out a bit all the way down the pipe... i like how it ties in the cases. and have to admit... you won me over on the tank! jsut looks so much fun to ride!
oooh ya! i like the pipes as is... in fact i would take a torch to them and try and blue them out a bit all the way down the pipe... i like how it ties in the cases. and have to admit... you won me over on the tank! jsut looks so much fun to ride!
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How the hell have I never heard of this film???
Well worth the read if anyone's never heard of it
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metropolis_%28film%29
For being a 1929 silent film the plot/story line is incredible.
Is there a rattle can extremly high heat clear? If not maybe I could powder them clear or maybe even a brushed alum.
Glad you liking it bro! I'll have to grab a rider position photo. It fits like a glove and all the weight it super low. I'm starting to get excited to toss her in some turns
Thanks bud. I'd love to do an expansion to about 3" thats aimed up and slash cut (what keeps coming to mind is the exhaust on the1000cc Indian Board track that they did on Wheels Of Time, I'll have to find that link)However, there is so little room. Also love the cone too. I'll have to stare at it some more
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here is the 1000cc iwas talking about:
Indian Boardtrack Racers
Yeah I thought the description was pretty cool.Swagger said:
How the hell have I never heard of this film???
Well worth the read if anyone's never heard of it
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metropolis_%28film%29
For being a 1929 silent film the plot/story line is incredible.
I like the idea a lot.JRK5892 said:
Is there a rattle can extremly high heat clear? If not maybe I could powder them clear or maybe even a brushed alum.
Glad you liking it bro! I'll have to grab a rider position photo. It fits like a glove and all the weight it super low. I'm starting to get excited to toss her in some turns
Kanticoy said:
Thanks bud. I'd love to do an expansion to about 3" thats aimed up and slash cut (what keeps coming to mind is the exhaust on the1000cc Indian Board track that they did on Wheels Of Time, I'll have to find that link)However, there is so little room. Also love the cone too. I'll have to stare at it some more
edit:
here is the 1000cc iwas talking about:
Indian Boardtrack Racers
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I actually have that film on a DVD compilation of silent film horror movies. Great stuff.
Love that Indian. Looking at your bike, if the exhaust could follow that bottom frame rail up behind the brake pedal....that would be sick.
I actually have that film on a DVD compilation of silent film horror movies. Great stuff.
Love that Indian. Looking at your bike, if the exhaust could follow that bottom frame rail up behind the brake pedal....that would be sick.
Re: Willow..Alchemy upholstery rocks!
Yeah I'm gonna have to look for it. Pretty cool stuff.
That's exactly what I was thinking. There is a slight downward slope that would have to be cut out (nat a big deal) then continue arcing up around the brake pedal. Then a small open slash cut cone...Shold be easy to mock . I have some pipes with a nice sweeping bend then could use paper for the cone
Yeah I'm gonna have to look for it. Pretty cool stuff.
That's exactly what I was thinking. There is a slight downward slope that would have to be cut out (nat a big deal) then continue arcing up around the brake pedal. Then a small open slash cut cone...Shold be easy to mock . I have some pipes with a nice sweeping bend then could use paper for the cone
Yeah I think your right. The yellowing might even help sell he vintage feel. Would clear powders do the same (yellow)?JRK5892 said:
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to be honest i am not 100% sure... i would think that it would but have never put that to the test... problem is the diff in heat from a oven is diff from that of a bike, so i could not really test it by sticking it in the oven. to be honest... if it does, cool, if it doesnt cool... it is kind of a win win on this one. i do think that trying to blue the pipes would be cool as hell though
to be honest i am not 100% sure... i would think that it would but have never put that to the test... problem is the diff in heat from a oven is diff from that of a bike, so i could not really test it by sticking it in the oven. to be honest... if it does, cool, if it doesnt cool... it is kind of a win win on this one. i do think that trying to blue the pipes would be cool as hell though
