Cutting up the frame

So what about all the assholes that customized their bikes back in the day, when they were new? You do realize people customize new bikes too right? Ever hear of the SEMA show? It's literally millions of square feet of convention hall space devoted to nothing but the automotive aftermarket, and get this, most of it is for newer cars. Nothing is sacred, especially not mass produced mediocre Japanese machinery from an era when nothing truly good was built. Just because you think they were great stock, doesn't make you right.
 

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That's an interesting bike to showcase someone's shop. Very nicely done. I personally hate that tractor seat look, but it ain't my bike, so that doesn't much matter to the builder.

Back in teh day, very few bikes were cut up to customize them unless they were already a pile of rust. We couldn't afford to. Most modifications back then were bolt on. There were a slew of companies from Dunstall, Rickman, Bill Chuck, read Titan, Sondel Sport, Unity all selling tanks and bars and rear sets and swept back pipes and so on. It was rare for anyoe to make their own seat or to bash in a tank.

As for modifying new bikes or cars. Who cares. They are new and always more where they came from. Show bikes and cars from the latest models have been around since forever and that's as it should be.

All the op said at the beginning was that in a time with dwindling availability of bikes in original good condition, I's a shame to see the good ones go. It is a shame. The fact that others do not value them doesn't make it less of a loss to those that were around when those bikes were new. I personally cannot bring myself to ruin a bike that's in really nice condition. I prefer to start with something already soiled and bring that back for a new life with a new look. But that's just me. YMMV It probably comes down the the era we were brought up. There tend to be bikes that for whatever reason were iconic at the time we got into bikes that we idolized or at least admired.

That's human emotion and bikes from a prior era still raise emotions. That's probably a good thing. Imagine if none of us cared about bikes !
 
Joon-yah Bourelle said:
no , it's more like. I want to rebuild my subframe, anyone have any advice? You fucking dumbass!! Don't you know you gonna build a peice of shit that 'll kill your stupid ass! That's what I'm talking about. It's one thing to explain the situation as you put it and another to be an asshole.
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Most of the time someone gets slammed I've noticed it's by trolls, those who love to bash people but never even built anything, usually I don't see the knowledgable ones inmediately slamming anyone
 
teazer said:
That's an interesting bike to showcase someone's shop. Very nicely done. I personally hate that tractor seat look, but it ain't my bike, so that doesn't much matter to the builder.

Back in teh day, very few bikes were cut up to customize them unless they were already a pile of rust. We couldn't afford to. Most modifications back then were bolt on. There were a slew of companies from Dunstall, Rickman, Bill Chuck, read Titan, Sondel Sport, Unity all selling tanks and bars and rear sets and swept back pipes and so on. It was rare for anyoe to make their own seat or to bash in a tank.

As for modifying new bikes or cars. Who cares. They are new and always more where they came from. Show bikes and cars from the latest models have been around since forever and that's as it should be.

All the op said at the beginning was that in a time with dwindling availability of bikes in original good condition, I's a shame to see the good ones go. It is a shame. The fact that others do not value them doesn't make it less of a loss to those that were around when those bikes were new. I personally cannot bring myself to ruin a bike that's in really nice condition. I prefer to start with something already soiled and bring that back for a new life with a new look. But that's just me. YMMV It probably comes down the the era we were brought up. There tend to be bikes that for whatever reason were iconic at the time we got into bikes that we idolized or at least admired.

That's human emotion and bikes from a prior era still raise emotions. That's probably a good thing. Imagine if none of us cared about bikes !
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well said
 
Roc City Cafe said:
Most of the time someone gets slammed I've noticed it's by trolls, those who love to bash people but never even built anything, usually I don't see the knowledgable ones inmediately slamming anyone
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I wasn't referring to every one of the older and knowledgable members. I said what I did to get my point across. Everyone is going to disagree on a lot of things, but the disrespect of one another is pointless and not needed.
 
I was going to say something really prolific on this topic but decided not to. Your loss. ;)


[edit] changed my mind. If somebody destroys some old bike, whatever, it was theirs and I don't take much notice. What gets my attention is when they put in the work to make it good rider again. Doesn't matter if it's the work to do a full restoration or complete custom. Look at it for quality of what they did.


Man, that was such a good comment, somebody should quote me on it....
 
canyoncarver said:
I was going to say something really prolific on this topic but decided not to. Your loss. ;)


[edit] changed my mind. If somebody destroys some old bike, whatever, it was theirs and I don't take much notice. What gets my attention is when they put in the work to make it good rider again. Doesn't matter if it's the work to do a full restoration or complete custom. Look at it for quality of what they did.


Man, that was such a good comment, somebody should quote me on it....
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I seen this post last night and it reminded me of a video that was posted on a blog I read. The video says all. some know how to work up a frame and others just hack it up. I would have to say that 70% of the bikes that are being made into CR or something other than what they were originally, were probably destined to be thrown into the crucible anyway. I like to think that they are being saved and given a second life that they longed to be when they were on the assembly line.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sbu6nXV3xZ4
 
teazer said:
Back in teh day, very few bikes were cut up to customize them unless they were already a pile of rust. We couldn't afford to. Most modifications back then were bolt on. There were a slew of companies from Dunstall, Rickman, Bill Chuck, read Titan, Sondel Sport, Unity all selling tanks and bars and rear sets and swept back pipes and so on. It was rare for anyoe to make their own seat or to bash in a tank.

As for modifying new bikes or cars. Who cares. They are new and always more where they came from. Show bikes and cars from the latest models have been around since forever and that's as it should be.
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I love how you argue my point, and then confirm it. Maybe you didn't modify bikes back in the day because YOU couldn't afford it, but trust me plenty of people did. Those seats and bars and pipes are the exact example I was speaking about. There wouldn't have been companies making parts if there wasn't a demand. Yeah, people modify differently now because styles change, but that doesn't mean people weren't hacking up new stuff just like they do now. There's always someone with the money to do it, and it's not like we're talking about bikes that were ever super expensive. And hell if you look at any economic studies we as a whole actually make less money now than we did 30 years ago. If I can afford to have several bikes in the garage on my shitty wages and chop them up, then there's no way there weren't plenty of guys doing it back in the day. They just didn't have an internet to show off on.

Just like new bikes and new cars today, people messed around with new cars and bikes back then. It's part of the gearhead culture. We cant leave anything alone, never have, never will.
 
I have seen some poorly reasoned arguments on this forum, but I think this is going to be the thread that takes the cake so far. I appreciate the entertainment, though.
 
Entertaining for sure and so full of anger or self righteous indignation. What has your (Stinkbug) economic status got to do with ours in the UK 40 years ago pray tell? You have no idea what you are talking about when it comes to comments about what people did back in the sixties and seventies, so let's avoid economics shall we.

No one is arguing that no one ever hacked up a bike back in the day. My comment was that most of us did not cut up bikes but we did customize them with bolts ons.

And that wasn't the basis of the thread which seems to have morphed into some sort of us young guys kick ass and can do whatever we want and you oldies don't get it - or some equally absurd nonsense.

And it is simply untrue that it's some sort of gearhead culture to hack things up. That's just twaddle.

People have been modifying bikes and cars since they were invented, but that doesn't mean everyone does it or that it applies to every bike. I just finished another rebuild back to more or less stock on a 76 Suzuki but with updated wheels brakes and electrics - nothing chopped off. The next couple of projects are race bikes and they will be severely modified, but they were POSs to begin with.

I have also taken a brand new pair of Aprilia RS250s and modified them to make them successful racers in the Cup series but they didn't need any hacking either.

The obsession with hacking and grinding is just another selfie moment to show off how bad ass we are. Come back after your tenth or twentieth build and let's sit down over a cold one and talk about youngsters you don't got no respect.... :)
 
Teazer if you ever decide to run for office or be a crime boss, i want to be one of your hired goons
 

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Looked up the word twaddle and it is what I thought it was.
So I learned something and the day just started.
Thanks Teazer.

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bradj said:
Teazer if you ever decide to run for office or be a crime boss, i want to be one of your hired goons
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Brads the one in the pink
 
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