Cutting up the frame

Come on guys, it's not a contest. It's a dialogue where we all have opinions and input and everyone is welcome and we all have an opportunity to learn how others see the world.

Sometimes we grab at a factoid and try to use it to make our case, but statistics are not always what they appear to be and can be misleading. I don't think any of us are here to force feed anyone else with our world view. It's about exchanging ideas and listening as well as talking. It's all good.
 
teazer said:
Come on guys, it's not a contest. It's a dialogue where we all have opinions and input and everyone is welcome and we all have an opportunity to learn how others see the world.

Sometimes we grab at a factoid and try to use it to make our case, but statistics are not always what they appear to be and can be misleading. I don't think any of us are here to force feed anyone else with our world view. It's about exchanging ideas and listening as well as talking. It's all good.
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on a serious note, I agree 100%. On a not so serious note,can I be your other goon!!!
 
I don't care if someone cuts a bike up and makes a ridable bike in their own style...that is what a Cafe Racer should be....Bradj, for instance, makes a bike better than it was, I have no issue with that sort of surgery. He is not butchering a bike, he is reforming it.

But so many examples of bikes cut apart, de-tabbed, made to run like crap, then the owner/builder realizes the bike is uncomfortable, and often un-ridable. they prop it up in front of a barn, say how pretty it is, then sell it. It is no longer a motorcycle, but rather a piece of artwork with wheels but not really a functional motorcycle. They really aren't motorcyclist, or mechanics, just artists. The name of this site is "Do The Ton" yet so many build/butcher bikes that really can't do that. Maybe we need a forum called "Looks pretty but doesn't work" ...


You can do whatever you want, but I don;t have to enjoy it or tell you it is a great thing, especially when I think it sucks. If you spent a whole bunch of time and money to take a mediocre performing bike and make a non-performing bike, then to me, you wasted your time and the materials.
 
My comment was a simple response to your statement that people didn't mod things back in the day because they couldn't afford to. That's a ridiculous statement. SOMEBODY can always afford to. Maybe not you, maybe not me, but there are always people with money to throw around. You made a stupid ignorant statement and I called you out on it. If that makes me a twaddle or whatever you wanna call me then whatever.
 
mydlyfkryzis said:
But so many examples of bikes cut apart, de-tabbed, made to run like crap, then the owner/builder realizes the bike is uncomfortable, and often un-ridable. they prop it up in front of a barn, say how pretty it is, then sell it. It is no longer a motorcycle, but rather a piece of artwork with wheels but not really a functional motorcycle. They really aren't motorcyclist, or mechanics, just artists. The name of this site is "Do The Ton" yet so many build/butcher bikes that really can't do that. Maybe we need a forum called "Looks pretty but doesn't work" ...
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Says the guy with a stock 360 that won't do the ton :-X

I say people can do whatever they want with their motorcycle. Whether its an art project or a
motorcycle" is irrelevant.

Stinkbug you need to chill buddy, nobody is attacking you here.


What is this thread about again?
 
StinkBug said:
My comment was a simple response to your statement that people didn't mod things back in the day because they couldn't afford to. That's a ridiculous statement. SOMEBODY can always afford to. Maybe not you, maybe not me, but there are always people with money to throw around. You made a stupid ignorant statement and I called you out on it. If that makes me a twaddle or whatever you wanna call me then whatever.
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OK I'll bite, since you want to argue over logic and facts. I'll choose to ignore the insult because it's unnecessary.

Did I say that absolutely nobody ever chopped a bike back in the day or was it a generalization? OK so it was a generalization, and as such there will probably be some exceptions. That's the nature of "rules" -It's the exceptions that prove the rule.

People built specials like Tritons, and TriBSAs and Norvins and Goldies in featherbed Norton frames and other odd mixes like Tricatis and Tri-Greeves and so on, but it was rare to take a working bike and hack it around to turn that bike into a custom - until choppers arrived that is.
There were even people stealing bikes to get Norton chassis and Triumph motors and so on, but that's not what we are talking about here is it?

Chill dude, no one is attacking you. So let's get back to bikes shall we. :)

BTW, I just checked your web site. Looks like you do some cool roll cages and other off road custom fab. Looks interesting. And that CNC plasma (?) cutter is way cool. Last one I looked at was in a huge fab shop in China. Looks like you have some good fab capability down there.
 
Nebr_Rex said:
Looked up the word twaddle and it is what I thought it was.
So I learned something and the day just started.
Thanks Teazer.
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No worries Nebr. Sometimes old words just bubble up to the surface and as long as they are only mildly offensive, it's fun to resurrect them.
 
Teazer all i need is a tackie suit a side kick an a steady paycheck. Ill go ahead and come up with a dark back storie that lead me to a life of crime.....im thinking something about a plane crash that left me pennyless, hollow & cold hearted.
 
Does anybody else feel like, ever since He Who Shall Not Be Named got "pushed out of the airlock," the dialogue on DTT has gotten generally more...vitriolic? It's like there's a minimum level of a-hole behavior that has to be maintained and, ever since king a-hole was ejected, all the rest of us have shouldered a portion of the a-hole load.
Remember the electronic fistfight over solder -v- crimp? Jaysus.
Maybe Nortonguy is the promised one, who will restore balance to the forum. :-\

Oh, and screw you guys.

JK
 
Buzz, ^^ LOL

Brad, You already told me that was your life history. Am I to understand that maybe some of it was fabricated? No !

I'm shocked and you seemed like such a respectable young man that would never take a grinder to a poor defenseless frame.... Oh shoot.....

Keep having fun and let's not take this stuff too seriously. Life is too short, and there are too many good bikes to cut up. I mean save. :)
 
Buzzcolon if dcc sold backbones you checkered nancy's would be loaded for bear
 
teazer said:
Buzz, ^^ LOL

Brad, You already told me that was your life history. Am I to understand that maybe some of it was fabricated? No !

I'm shocked and you seemed like such a respectable young man that would never take a grinder to a poor defenseless frame.... Oh shoot.....

Keep having fun and let's not take this stuff too seriously. Life is too short, and there are too many good bikes to cut up. I mean save. :)
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Doesn't matter to Brad. If he doesnt cut it up, he'll blow it up.
 
teazer said:
most of us did not cut up bikes but we did customize them with bolts ons.
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That statement is accurate as far as the scene in Oz is concerned. In the fifties you used whatever you could get your hands on; bikes and parts were scarce and there was not a lot of money about. My first bike was a 500cc Triumph Speed Twin built mainly from two wrecked bikes, and fitted with ancillary components from disparate sources. My father (a motor mechanic) did 95% of the work himself, and there was no chopping about with the frame, if for no other reason than very few people had access to even oxy-acetylene welders.

Availability of bikes and components improved in the 60s and 70s but modification were still limited to bolt-on aftermarket items, with very rare exceptions, mainly for race purposes.

Whether or not it is acceptable to cut frames is something I have no wish to comment on, but dismissing with opinions, not evidence, the lived experience of fellow enthusiasts is definitely not acceptable.

Crazy
 
Crazy ill extend my hired goon offer to you also but ill need cab fare to da bush
 
SONIC. said:
Says the guy with a stock 360 that won't do the ton :-X
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If I want to do the ton, I jump on my 750. Does a little over the ton easily.

Can't see how rearsets, cut off the frame loop, and removing the fender and brace would get my otherwise slow bike over the ton and safely.

A cafe racer should be faster than a stock bike, not slower and poorer handling. So my Stock CB360 is slow, but it handles better and goes faster safer then most of the CB360 cut-ups I've seen. Only a few have actually improved performance and handling. Most of them have Blue CB360's, by coincidence....

I am not here to do the ton anyway, either, just to pick the brains of a few of the real experts here. There are some diamonds among the mud.
 
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